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Canon S90 vs Ricoh GR Digital III: Lens Performance
Sunday, November 22, 2009
Posted by Amin
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Canon S90,
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Canon S90 vs Ricoh GR Digital III: Lens Performance
2009-11-22T18:04:00-05:00
Amin
Canon S90|GR Digital III|GRD III|
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Terri · 803 weeks ago
Given the fact that the s90 has a zoom lens and the Ricoh a fixed focal length lens.
Given the fact this this involved pixel peeping... enlarging small sections... and that this is not what we would see even in a 11 x 14 print.
Given the fact that the Ricoh costs $300 more than the Canon S90...
The Canon S90 is apparently the camera of choice IMHO by far...
Prognathous · 803 weeks ago
Prog.
Dwight · 803 weeks ago
Both cameras are said to have good controls. But, given a choice, I'd take the Ricoh control over Canon.
A person really needs to think about how he will be using a camera before deciding which one is "best". I can see how a stabilized zoom lens could be of interest to some people and other people would prefer a good viewfinder.
Enche · 803 weeks ago
Canon S90 IS should be compared with Panasonic LX3 or GX200 / the new GRX module, because it is a compact camera with zoom lens.
amin 67p · 802 weeks ago
jjp · 802 weeks ago
DrDave · 803 weeks ago
Hikari · 803 weeks ago
Very happy with it !
Jasper · 802 weeks ago
The Ricoh clearly won this one, but of course this doesnt go anywhere near to make a full comparison of the two cameras.
What is really missing are comparisons done at higher ISO conditions.
Btw. GX200 is much more similar to the S90, both in price and specifications, but the GRD3 is still the more interesting camera. I will gladly give up the zoom to get sharper pictures. It is the lack of OIS that is the real handicap on the GRD3.
The Canon may yet win under high ISO conditions, part because the sensor is better than the Ricoh's (alledgedly), and part because of its OIS.
amin 67p · 802 weeks ago
What is really missing are comparisons done at higher ISO conditions."
Stay tuned :-).
Hitomi · 802 weeks ago
Although some S90s might have decentering issues, it does not seem to be a problem with the majority of them, so I'd prefer to see a test of a properly working S90 versus a GX200 and LX3 (which will undoubtedly be replaced early in the new year).
amin 67p · 802 weeks ago
Are you sure about that?
DC Watch being a hugely popular site, I assume that Canon cherry picked a nice S90 for them. Here is DC Watch's S90 sample (note decentering with blurry right lower corner, also seen in their other samples):
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/326/57...
Here's the thread on DPR with several people discussing their decentered S90 cameras and no one mentioning that their S90 lens is perfectly centered. Even the one individual in the thread who exchanged his S90 got another decentered S90 for it:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=...
PhotographyBlog's S90 sample (note the blurry left side, even at f/5.6 (also seen in their other samples):
http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_powe...
A little bit of decentering is more common than not, in my experience. The amount seen with my S90 is within my range of expectation. I don't consider this camera to be defective.
Hitomi · 802 weeks ago
You would be wrong to make that assumption. Cherrypicking has never been found to have occurred, and no one formerly employed by any camera company has EVER claimed it's been done either (and they'd have no reason not to tell the truth). The late Herbert Keppler used to regularly disabuse this idea in his columns too. By the way, what often happens with loaner gear is that it gets knocked around and requires adjustment when returned to the company (like a rental car), so when loaners go from one reviewer to the next (as often happens) you will invariably occasionally find some units operating anywhere from less-than-perfectly to problematically.
I cannot recall seeing results from loaner-reviewed cameras sent to reputable reviewers that were found to be substantially better than the cameras when widely available to the public. Which model cameras/lenses are you thinking of that have definitively been cherrypicked and reviewed far better than the marketed gear?
"I don't consider this camera to be defective."
I'd send it back under warranty, and I'd expect it to be fixed or replaced, and I'm sure if it was found on a (50% more costly) GX200 the typical Ricoh owner would do so too, in a flash.
amin 67p · 802 weeks ago
"I'm sure if it was found on a (50% more costly) GX200 the typical Ricoh owner would do so too, in a flash."
I strongly doubt that the typical Ricoh owner (or typical any brand owner) would notice this small amount of decentering. It is super common in my experience with all brands, Ricoh included. I generally don't even notice it until I start putting together crops for this web site, and I make larger prints than the "typical owner". Looking through my own hard drive, I'm hard pressed to find a keeper which would be any less of a keeper because of blurring in the extreme right corners.
Either way, I bought a second S90 today after reading these comments and will see whether that one behaves any differently.
Mark Phillips · 802 weeks ago
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Eric · 802 weeks ago
my first GRD 3 has these problem, no matter how i stop down the aperture , from f/1.9 to f/5.6 the left corner never get sharp.
but after i return it to the shop and get 2nd one ,it's lens perfect centering.
Gareth Jones · 802 weeks ago
Years ago I recall a scandal that kicked off with a certain motorcycle manufacturer and it's review samples. There were often rumours that review samples were not just cherry picked, but blueprinted. Blueprinting amounts to ensure that every component is at the optimum end of it's production tolerances and that all components are the best fit with other components. IOW the review samples were not an example of what came of the production line, but were hand built. Then all hell broke loose when it was found that one manufacturer had not just been blueprinting their engines for review. They were, if we're being diplomatic, hand finishing major components. Or to put it another way they were shipping their review samples with performance tuned engines.
Now I'm not suggesting that any camera manufacturer would go quite that far, but it would be naive in the extreme to suggest that any manufacturer did not do some extra QA on review samples. For that reason I always pay much more attention to those websites and publications that purchase their review samples off the shelf. I want to know what I would be likely to get were I to buy one, not what a factory technician can turn out given time in the workshop.
@Amin
You don't consider a camera with obvious image defects to be defective. Sir, you are far too tolerant. When you spend this sort of money you should not accept such noticeable defects, manufacturer's claims that the camera is within tolerance notwithstanding. However I would also consider severe barrel distortion to be a defect unless it was clearly indicated in the sales material. After all none of the sample images I've seen from Canon display a hint of distortion. Funny that.
@Hitomi
Here in the UK the GX200 is generally somewhat cheaper than the S90.